Blimey. I don't think I ever received a comment before that bust the word limit, let alone from someone I never met before!
I agree with what you say about death being overused in Torchwood and it losing its value. Jack's being killed no longer holds any shock or in fact value to my mind. Even scattering him to the four winds in little tiny pieces and seeing him lacking most of his flesh didn't shock me any more.
However, the argument that killing Ianto hurt Jack so deeply that he would then kill Stephen doesn't hold water for me, I'm afraid. That would suggest that Ianto, a man he'd known for a couple of years and only really gotten to know in recent times, meant more to Jack than his own grandson. Also, I am a fairly lone voice in the fandom [or not so much in the fandom these days, to be honest] in thinking that Jack didn't really feel all that much for Ianto anyway. To my mind Jack mostly exhibited libidinous behaviour towards Ianto rather than affectionate, and in CoE not even much of that. He brushes off Ianto's seeking discussion on the status of their relationship, looks perplexed rather than pleased that Ianto wants to comfort him after he's died [again], there are still a lot of fundamental things about Jack's life he chooses not to share with Ianto, and he even passes up the opportunity of a bunk-up in favour of a plate of beans on toast.
I wasn't invested in the character like many were. I understand that those who were invested in it, or saw something different in the relationship to what I saw, are hurt and upset. But I think we're in agreement that some people should grow up and stop using terms they don't really understand to justify their upset at the loss of a character they loved or just the loss of mansex on telly.
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I agree with what you say about death being overused in Torchwood and it losing its value. Jack's being killed no longer holds any shock or in fact value to my mind. Even scattering him to the four winds in little tiny pieces and seeing him lacking most of his flesh didn't shock me any more.
However, the argument that killing Ianto hurt Jack so deeply that he would then kill Stephen doesn't hold water for me, I'm afraid. That would suggest that Ianto, a man he'd known for a couple of years and only really gotten to know in recent times, meant more to Jack than his own grandson. Also, I am a fairly lone voice in the fandom [or not so much in the fandom these days, to be honest] in thinking that Jack didn't really feel all that much for Ianto anyway. To my mind Jack mostly exhibited libidinous behaviour towards Ianto rather than affectionate, and in CoE not even much of that. He brushes off Ianto's seeking discussion on the status of their relationship, looks perplexed rather than pleased that Ianto wants to comfort him after he's died [again], there are still a lot of fundamental things about Jack's life he chooses not to share with Ianto, and he even passes up the opportunity of a bunk-up in favour of a plate of beans on toast.
I wasn't invested in the character like many were. I understand that those who were invested in it, or saw something different in the relationship to what I saw, are hurt and upset. But I think we're in agreement that some people should grow up and stop using terms they don't really understand to justify their upset at the loss of a character they loved or just the loss of mansex on telly.