Unpopular fandomeme

[filthgoblin]

Pinched this one from perdiccas and terraswrath.

Ask me about anything fannish and I will give you my unpopular opinion about it.

It can be anything, from shows, ships to fandom itself; all unpopular opinions will be genuine. If I don't have an unpopular opinion on something, I'm not going to make it up.

I'm not going to bitch for the sake of it, but if I do have something less than popular to say, I won't keep it to myself.

Comments

[terraswrath.livejournal.com]

Ho, hum... Pinto. ;)

[filthgoblin.livejournal.com]

Hmmm. I have quite a few views on Pinto. Not all of them will be popular.

Firstly, and probably most importantly, no matter how many well-written fics I read by really good writers, I do not see Zach as the natural top in that pairing. I don't give a giddy fuck about the speculated sexuality of Zach, or Chris, or what Just Jared or any of the groupie websites have to say about Zach being a really agressive top. I just. Don't. See it. All the press I've seen with the two of them together has Chris coming across to me as the dominant one and Zach more softly spoken and yielding. Just because Zach is alleged to be gay doesn't mean that Chris doesn't know how a cock works or wouldn't understand how to fuck someone up the arse. Saying that the one who's more likely to be gay is always the top is like saying that the man always has to be the instigator of heterosexual fucking because he's the only one who has a cock to make it happen.

At the end of the day, I know it doesn't really matter. It's all just fantasy and fantasy can go any way you want it to. It's just that the majority fantasy view doesn't fit with mine.

And while we're on the subject, just because Zach is widely speculated to be gay; has eclectic taste in clothing; doesn't like to talk about his sex life; and looks after himself DOES NOT make him incontrovertibly gay. I won't claim him one way or the other unless he decides to step out openly with a significant other because it's none of my business. But if he is or he isn't, it's not going to stop me imagining Chris Pine pushing his eye-wateringly large cock inside Quinto's tight, yoga-honed ass. 'Kay? Good.

Of late, I've been struggling with the fandom. Holidays seem to bring out the fluff in the fandom. I almost drowned in kidfic at Hallowe'en, and Christmas was all about platonic fic and romance. I like my fucking to have fucking in it, so I've kinda drifted away a bit. I like some context to the sex, but lots of chatty friend times with no sex does not a happy Goblin make. I want hardcore cock and bum fun. The absence of it makes me sad.

The last thing, and this applies to all my fandoms, concerns AU. If I'm invested in a pairing, I want to read about that pairing doing something I can imagine that pairing doing. Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto are actors. They've worked together. They live close to each other. They have interests in common. That gives plenty of material to provide a backdrop for them getting into each others' pants. I don't want to read about one of them being a Catholic priest and the other being a naughty choirboy, unless it's as part of a bedroom fantasy they're acting out as themselves. AU to me is just shorthand for "I want to write an original story but I can't be arsed to create original characters". And if that's not an unpopular view, I don't know what is.

[candesgirl.livejournal.com]

Hmm, Doctor Who :)

[filthgoblin.livejournal.com]

I suppose my main unpopular opinion here is that I can't be arsed with the fandom. I love the show but I got into it through new!Who and there's an awful lot of snobs in the fandom who judge you if you got into it throught Tennant. I am exploring some of the older stuff now, but I don't feel the need to go justify myself to anyone.

My other less than popular opinion is that I don't dig the fanfic. I just can't imagine the Doctor getting it on with any of his assistants and Doctor/Master fic tends to be really samey. I like BDSM & hate!sex as much as the next person but it's a bit limited in its scope.

I guess the best thing about this fandom for me is the RPS, and writing the recent JS/DT fic I posted felt like coming home.

[terraswrath.livejournal.com]

I would agree with everything you have written here although I had to comment to mention that your exploration of classic!Who is something that I admire in you. I think why a lot of classic fans are set against the new fans is that some of them so easily dismiss the roots of the show. It's like they can't believe that there ever was something prior to the millenium that's worth taking a look at. But you are aware of that history and are willing to approach it: not because you feel obligated, but because you want to go deeper. Whoever would want you to justify to them are idiots.

Also, with you on the repetitive D/M BDSM fic. But you have to admit, it's a way of getting noticed by all the speshul peoplez out there. *eyeroll*

[filthgoblin.livejournal.com]

I don't want to be noticed by speshul peepel. I want them to stay out of my sandpit and stop with the superiority complex already. Fandom is not a hierarchy, nor does it exist to validate you or make up for your low self-worth.

And yes, I am enjoying the audiobooks for what they are. They're entertaining. I'm not going through them because I want to be able to tick them off and show how well-versed I am in "obscure canon". After all, I am led to believe that Doctor Who is an entertainment show and not a way to one-up your fellow human beings? Maybe that's my unpopular view.

[perdiccas.livejournal.com]

fanfic awards!

[filthgoblin.livejournal.com]

I haven't had a lot of involvement with fanfic awards because I'm neither that prolific a writer or contributor to any particular fandom. However, I'm not sure that fandom, which for me is something that's supposed to be fun and freeing, needs to be made competitive.

The couple of fanfic awards I am aware of look from the outside to be a big jerk-off of the inner circle of that particular fandom; a mutual patting on the back leaving those who are less prolific feeling excluded and not needed or wanted.

[coneyislandbaby]

Do you have any unpopular opinions about Quincest?

If not, Zach in het ships.

[filthgoblin.livejournal.com]

I don't know if it's possible to have a popular opinion about Quincest. There's so few of us that I think there's a different view for every person.

Judging by the number of requests on various kink memes, though, I think my most unpopular view on Quincest is that their relationship is not, in any way, abusive. I don't want to see, hear about or read it. Not because I have a problem with fantasy abuse as such. I'll gladly read rapefic and all kinds of other taboo stories. It's just because it seems so out of character. Anyone who's ever seen any pictures of those two together could never honestly believe that Joe abused Zach as a child. They are tight. They clearly love each other. When talking about Joe, Zach's eyes light up. The thought of Joe abusing him just seems ridiculous.

And as a bonus, I have seen some people who have reacted violently against the idea of Zach in a het ship. Um, hello? You'll put any number of other straight actors in a gay ship - even happily married Karl - but Zach with a girl is verboten? There is no confirmation that Zach is gay, but we're not allowed to pair him with women? I find that bizzare.

You know what I'd really like? I'd actually like to see some assumed heterosexual!Zach porn. The het partners I've seen Zach paired with show him having first-time sex with a woman [at 32 years of age] and either having to be shown what to do or being surprisingly competent. What about this for a scenario? Zach is a straight man who likes sex with women and knows how to fuck. So he finds a woman he likes and who likes him and they have hot sex.

I think I feel a trip to the Kink Meme coming on... :p

[coneyislandbaby]

You're probably right re: Quincest not having that many fans to have unpopular opinions about :). However...

Oh my god, yes! Seriously I do not know where the abusive idea comes from. These are not secretly dysfunctional brothers. Well, not *that* kind of dysfunctional - I could see several kinds of other dysfunctions being written believably, because they'd arise out of characterisation, not just taking an easy route to angst. Including the fact that incest is, in some ways, fucked up in itself, so it'd be easy to write it as unhealthy related to that, rather than as abuse (I'm not sure I'd want to - but I could see it being written much more believably than abuse).

That said, I think a lot of the time in kink memes it is more about the kink than the believability, unfortunately.

And I'll have to comment on the other half tomorrow - it's after 3 am here :)

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

I'll avoid the obvious. :)

How about the general topic of RPS/RPF?

[filthgoblin.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure that my views on RPF/RPS are unpopular because I know a lot of people who share them. I consider RPF to be my main fandom, if it could be considered a fandom in its own right, and in that I am as pedantic about detail as I would be about things related to a fictional fandom that has published "canon". There seems to be lots of imaginary lines and squick triggers for many people in RPF - the fact that it happens at all; the mention of real-life partners; the use of real-life events as context. But all this is meat and drink to me. Anyone who writes RPF that doesn't reference anything to do with that person's life is essentially writing an original story with characters that have familiar names. I don't think I have a squick for anything in RPF at all except stuff that I consider to be out of character.

[terraswrath.livejournal.com]

THIS! ThisthisthisthisthisthisTHIS!

*waves the Quincest banner, because hey, how can RPS get any more squicky for the whiners out there?*

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

Amen Sistah, Amen...right down the line.